Journalist Mehdi Hasan in his interview with Pakistan Defence Minister Khawaja Asif, grilled the latter about Pakistan's defence pact with Saudi Arabia. When asked if Saudi is "protected by Pakistan's nuclear umbrella", Asif said the pact "formalised" the countries' defence ties. "Formalised with or without the nukes?" asked Hasan, to which Asif said, "I'll refrain from going into...details."